Comments on: War Of The Future Worlds: Daniel Pinchbeck Vs. Whitley Strieber http://www.alterati.com/blog/2007/09/war-of-the-future-worlds-daniel-pinchbeck-vs-whitley-strieber/ After a long day, we know you can work up quite a thirst for tasty entrainment. Search no further. Alterati is the spot for home-brewed, 100 proof podcasts of the Alterati.com editorial team. In it you will find a delectable blend of original musics, audiobook and drama excerpts, interviews with artists and media theorists of the fringe, and hints of strawberry and motor oil. Sat, 04 Feb 2012 19:13:03 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: botchoa http://www.alterati.com/blog/2007/09/war-of-the-future-worlds-daniel-pinchbeck-vs-whitley-strieber/comment-page-1/#comment-159875 botchoa Wed, 18 Feb 2009 06:03:11 +0000 http://www.alterati.com/blog/?p=1368#comment-159875 I LOL heartily. I LOL heartily.

]]> By: zman3000 http://www.alterati.com/blog/2007/09/war-of-the-future-worlds-daniel-pinchbeck-vs-whitley-strieber/comment-page-1/#comment-159874 zman3000 Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:29:11 +0000 http://www.alterati.com/blog/?p=1368#comment-159874 anyone who doesn't find valley speak annoying probably talks like that themselves, or is a blinded pinchbeck groupie. whitley went out of his way to be gracious, and praise pinchbeck's book, and plug his website, and in return, the rude, egoist pinchbeck snapped at him like a doberman pinscher with distemper. anyone who doesn’t find valley speak annoying probably talks like that themselves, or is a blinded pinchbeck groupie. whitley went out of his way to be gracious, and praise pinchbeck’s book, and plug his website, and in return, the rude, egoist pinchbeck snapped at him like a doberman pinscher with distemper.

]]> By: zman3000 http://www.alterati.com/blog/2007/09/war-of-the-future-worlds-daniel-pinchbeck-vs-whitley-strieber/comment-page-1/#comment-159871 zman3000 Sun, 10 Aug 2008 16:30:20 +0000 http://www.alterati.com/blog/?p=1368#comment-159871 why does it? it's just an observation that others are afraid to note. if whitley spoke like that i'd clock him too. why does it? it’s just an observation that others are afraid to note. if whitley spoke like that i’d clock him too.

]]> By: nekospecial http://www.alterati.com/blog/2007/09/war-of-the-future-worlds-daniel-pinchbeck-vs-whitley-strieber/comment-page-1/#comment-159873 nekospecial Fri, 08 Aug 2008 23:04:45 +0000 http://www.alterati.com/blog/?p=1368#comment-159873 "Annoying valley boy inflection"? Well, that just completely disarms your argument. If you can't get over that, you can't possibly form an objective opinion. “Annoying valley boy inflection”? Well, that just completely disarms your argument. If you can’t get over that, you can’t possibly form an objective opinion.

]]> By: zman3000 http://www.alterati.com/blog/2007/09/war-of-the-future-worlds-daniel-pinchbeck-vs-whitley-strieber/comment-page-1/#comment-159872 zman3000 Fri, 08 Aug 2008 04:26:34 +0000 http://www.alterati.com/blog/?p=1368#comment-159872 whitley completely blew him away. daniel p. (with that annoying valley boy inflection in his voice) totally lost his cool, and then, when he was dressed down by whitley stumbled, tried to apologize, and finally went back to more of his new age mumbo jumbo. whitney came off miles above him with class, manners and intelligence. anyone who doesn't see dangerous times ahead needs to stop meditating, taking drugs and open their eyes. whitley completely blew him away. daniel p. (with that annoying valley boy inflection in his voice) totally lost his cool, and then, when he was dressed down by whitley stumbled, tried to apologize, and finally went back to more of his new age mumbo jumbo. whitney came off miles above him with class, manners and intelligence. anyone who doesn’t see dangerous times ahead needs to stop meditating, taking drugs and open their eyes.

]]> By: aeolus kephas http://www.alterati.com/blog/2007/09/war-of-the-future-worlds-daniel-pinchbeck-vs-whitley-strieber/comment-page-1/#comment-159870 aeolus kephas Tue, 12 Feb 2008 12:04:42 +0000 http://www.alterati.com/blog/?p=1368#comment-159870 the irony being that behind the frantic clinging to life at any cost is a deep-seated death wish and despair that is destroying the planet. Strieber has this much right and i supect that Pinchbeck underestimates just how deep the despair goes in most of us. The ironic paradox of a "voluntary dieback" is that it's those most willing to sacrifice themselves to save the planet that the Earth will be most inclined to "save"! Put another way, the more we cling to life, and our way of life, the worse our odds of surviving become. the irony being that behind the frantic clinging to life at any cost is a deep-seated death wish and despair that is destroying the planet. Strieber has this much right and i supect that Pinchbeck underestimates just how deep the despair goes in most of us. The ironic paradox of a “voluntary dieback” is that it’s those most willing to sacrifice themselves to save the planet that the Earth will be most inclined to “save”! Put another way, the more we cling to life, and our way of life, the worse our odds of surviving become.

]]> By: palerider http://www.alterati.com/blog/2007/09/war-of-the-future-worlds-daniel-pinchbeck-vs-whitley-strieber/comment-page-1/#comment-159869 palerider Fri, 08 Feb 2008 16:29:32 +0000 http://www.alterati.com/blog/?p=1368#comment-159869 I think what Daniel was angered by, but didn't articulate well, maybe because he was angered, is the sad truth that people like Strieber use fear and fear mongering tactics to manipulate people. I have to say, I agree. That being said, yes, he should have kept his cool. I suspect that it's a issue that has personal resonance for Daniel, so I understand his emotional response. Emotions aren't all bad. ;) They show humanity exists in most cases. A little dieback would indeed be a positive thing, in the big picture. The problem is, it's hard to find volunteers for the first wave. :) I think what Daniel was angered by, but didn’t articulate well, maybe because he was angered, is the sad truth that people like Strieber use fear and fear mongering tactics to manipulate people. I have to say, I agree.
That being said, yes, he should have kept his cool. I suspect that it’s a issue that has personal resonance for Daniel, so I understand his emotional response. Emotions aren’t all bad. ;) They show humanity exists in most cases.
A little dieback would indeed be a positive thing, in the big picture. The problem is, it’s hard to find volunteers for the first wave. :)

]]> By: aeolus kephas http://www.alterati.com/blog/2007/09/war-of-the-future-worlds-daniel-pinchbeck-vs-whitley-strieber/comment-page-1/#comment-159868 aeolus kephas Thu, 07 Feb 2008 20:43:08 +0000 http://www.alterati.com/blog/?p=1368#comment-159868 Pinchbeck definitely came off better than poor Whitley, who wound up sounding like a petulant teenager. And yet PB did go in for the kill for no apparent reason, and frankly, WS's argument is a helluva lot more persuasive, or would have been if he'd kept his head. My question is, why is a dieback necessarily a "negative" thing anyway? This is such a humancentric POV, and unworthy of a supposed cosmic culture prophet such as PB. I think WS nailed him as much as he got nailed: PB is running scared. Pinchbeck definitely came off better than poor Whitley, who wound up sounding like a petulant teenager. And yet PB did go in for the kill for no apparent reason, and frankly, WS’s argument is a helluva lot more persuasive, or would have been if he’d kept his head. My question is, why is a dieback necessarily a “negative” thing anyway? This is such a humancentric POV, and unworthy of a supposed cosmic culture prophet such as PB. I think WS nailed him as much as he got nailed: PB is running scared.

]]> By: Jonus http://www.alterati.com/blog/2007/09/war-of-the-future-worlds-daniel-pinchbeck-vs-whitley-strieber/comment-page-1/#comment-159867 Jonus Sun, 06 Jan 2008 11:17:53 +0000 http://www.alterati.com/blog/?p=1368#comment-159867 They are both doing the same thing essentially, the same thing thats been done for thousands of years. You have Whitley preaching essentially the bad parts of Revelations. Meanwhile Pinchbeck is telling us that it will be OK because right before everything goes to shit humans will magically evolve super-quickly, this is essentially the "Yeah but right before everything goes to hell Jesus will fly in on a cloud and rescue us." Its the same shit just wrapped in new paper. Its nothing but the new christianity, except instead of Prayer they say "our thoughts create reality." I was really hoping this bullshit was close to over, hoping that we had a chance to move beyond some crazy fiction story as the basis for our moral code, thoughts of the afterlife, and how we interact with our world. Total Bullshit. They are both doing the same thing essentially, the same thing thats been done for thousands of years. You have Whitley preaching essentially the bad parts of Revelations. Meanwhile Pinchbeck is telling us that it will be OK because right before everything goes to shit humans will magically evolve super-quickly, this is essentially the “Yeah but right before everything goes to hell Jesus will fly in on a cloud and rescue us.”

Its the same shit just wrapped in new paper. Its nothing but the new christianity, except instead of Prayer they say “our thoughts create reality.” I was really hoping this bullshit was close to over, hoping that we had a chance to move beyond some crazy fiction story as the basis for our moral code, thoughts of the afterlife, and how we interact with our world. Total Bullshit.

]]> By: Elisha Grey http://www.alterati.com/blog/2007/09/war-of-the-future-worlds-daniel-pinchbeck-vs-whitley-strieber/comment-page-1/#comment-159865 Elisha Grey Tue, 11 Dec 2007 17:12:52 +0000 http://www.alterati.com/blog/?p=1368#comment-159865 The late, great Robert Anton Wilson. Couldn't find the same video, I think it was a interview with him from Disinformation TV Series (w/Richard Metzger). He was basically saying that one should think critically about Conspiracy theories. Here is a similar clip of him on the same subject: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZjfYKV8C6g The late, great Robert Anton Wilson. Couldn’t find the same video, I think it was a interview with him from Disinformation TV Series (w/Richard Metzger). He was basically saying that one should think critically about Conspiracy theories.

Here is a similar clip of him on the same subject:

]]> By: z http://www.alterati.com/blog/2007/09/war-of-the-future-worlds-daniel-pinchbeck-vs-whitley-strieber/comment-page-1/#comment-159866 z Tue, 11 Dec 2007 14:49:01 +0000 http://www.alterati.com/blog/?p=1368#comment-159866 Elisha Grey - who is R.A.W. and do you have another video link? cause that one is dead. -z Elisha Grey -

who is R.A.W. and do you have another video link? cause that one is dead.

-z

]]> By: jamescurcio http://www.alterati.com/blog/2007/09/war-of-the-future-worlds-daniel-pinchbeck-vs-whitley-strieber/comment-page-1/#comment-159861 jamescurcio Fri, 21 Sep 2007 01:11:37 +0000 http://www.alterati.com/blog/?p=1368#comment-159861 Personally, I've tested the layout on more than a dozen machines, operating systems, and browsers, and since I pushed for a redesign of the top bar (we made it smaller about a month and a half ago) I really see absolutely no cramping/clutter. Personally, I’ve tested the layout on more than a dozen machines, operating systems, and browsers, and since I pushed for a redesign of the top bar (we made it smaller about a month and a half ago) I really see absolutely no cramping/clutter.

]]> By: Uncle Humpasaur http://www.alterati.com/blog/2007/09/war-of-the-future-worlds-daniel-pinchbeck-vs-whitley-strieber/comment-page-1/#comment-159858 Uncle Humpasaur Tue, 18 Sep 2007 18:30:49 +0000 http://www.alterati.com/blog/?p=1368#comment-159858 ^^"Bulletproof Web Design" is a dope book on how to make sites that transition from fancy macs to shitty public library PCs to mobile phones and still maintain clear formatting. I'm running 1024 x 768 and it's still cramped. The content here is gold, it should be less cluttered. This was a really good read, you brought up a lot of brain food and milked the issue perfectly. I did think it was funny that Daniel had such a specific reason for Strieber's pessimism, too...that's a classic in the annals of intellectual insults. "Ahriman-lover." ^^”Bulletproof Web Design” is a dope book on how to make sites that transition from fancy macs to shitty public library PCs to mobile phones and still maintain clear formatting. I’m running 1024 x 768 and it’s still cramped. The content here is gold, it should be less cluttered.

This was a really good read, you brought up a lot of brain food and milked the issue perfectly. I did think it was funny that Daniel had such a specific reason for Strieber’s pessimism, too…that’s a classic in the annals of intellectual insults.

“Ahriman-lover.”

]]> By: nekospecial http://www.alterati.com/blog/2007/09/war-of-the-future-worlds-daniel-pinchbeck-vs-whitley-strieber/comment-page-1/#comment-159862 nekospecial Mon, 17 Sep 2007 20:45:35 +0000 http://www.alterati.com/blog/?p=1368#comment-159862 Dayv: run a resolution higher than 640x480. If you can't do that, get <a href="http://www.opera.com/" rel="nofollow">Opera</a>, which allows you to zoom in and out of webpages. Dayv: run a resolution higher than 640×480. If you can’t do that, get Opera, which allows you to zoom in and out of webpages.

]]> By: Dayv http://www.alterati.com/blog/2007/09/war-of-the-future-worlds-daniel-pinchbeck-vs-whitley-strieber/comment-page-1/#comment-159859 Dayv Mon, 17 Sep 2007 19:56:03 +0000 http://www.alterati.com/blog/?p=1368#comment-159859 Your page design makes it too hard to read the actual content.  Why is that image at the top actually hanging <i>over</i> the text?  The text is supposed to be the <i>important</i> part. By next week, you'll probably have added flash-only up and down scrolling and made the text an image file instead of using browser-rendered fonts. Your page design makes it too hard to read the actual content.  Why is that image at the top actually hanging over the text?  The text is supposed to be the important part.

By next week, you’ll probably have added flash-only up and down scrolling and made the text an image file instead of using browser-rendered fonts.

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