Comments on: Redefining The Real http://www.alterati.com/blog/2007/08/redefining-the-real/ After a long day, we know you can work up quite a thirst for tasty entrainment. Search no further. Alterati is the spot for home-brewed, 100 proof podcasts of the Alterati.com editorial team. In it you will find a delectable blend of original musics, audiobook and drama excerpts, interviews with artists and media theorists of the fringe, and hints of strawberry and motor oil. Sat, 04 Feb 2012 19:13:03 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: Excuse me… who are you? | Alterati: The GSpot- The Inside Look at the Outside Culture http://www.alterati.com/blog/2007/08/redefining-the-real/comment-page-1/#comment-164529 Excuse me… who are you? | Alterati: The GSpot- The Inside Look at the Outside Culture Tue, 01 Dec 2009 08:28:54 +0000 http://www.alterati.com/blog/?p=1206#comment-164529 [...] In fact, it is possible they have become even more so as the line between reality and fiction continues to [...] [...] In fact, it is possible they have become even more so as the line between reality and fiction continues to [...]

]]> By: Redefining The Real | Disinformation http://www.alterati.com/blog/2007/08/redefining-the-real/comment-page-1/#comment-158744 Redefining The Real | Disinformation Sat, 26 Sep 2009 06:27:39 +0000 http://www.alterati.com/blog/?p=1206#comment-158744 [...] ‘Reality as fiction? Fiction as reality? In this day and age, it seems we need to re-evaluate what these things even mean. We have moved beyond post-modern ponderances of "the reality of the simulacra" (or copy) to something more immediate – are our relationships with individuals, conducted through electronic medium, any more or less valid than those that occur outside of those confines? Should we feel just as hurt if they die? Feel just as cheated if it turns out their death was merely a part of some elaborate game, or conversely, if real deaths are written off as part of a game of a more sinister kind?’ (Alterati article). [...] [...] ‘Reality as fiction? Fiction as reality? In this day and age, it seems we need to re-evaluate what these things even mean. We have moved beyond post-modern ponderances of "the reality of the simulacra" (or copy) to something more immediate – are our relationships with individuals, conducted through electronic medium, any more or less valid than those that occur outside of those confines? Should we feel just as hurt if they die? Feel just as cheated if it turns out their death was merely a part of some elaborate game, or conversely, if real deaths are written off as part of a game of a more sinister kind?’ (Alterati article). [...]

]]> By: jamescurcio http://www.alterati.com/blog/2007/08/redefining-the-real/comment-page-1/#comment-158743 jamescurcio Sat, 15 Dec 2007 22:24:22 +0000 http://www.alterati.com/blog/?p=1206#comment-158743 I don't know what happened with the line breaks- suddenly the paragraph tags and several others got removed or broken somehow. I fixed most of it. I don’t know what happened with the line breaks- suddenly the paragraph tags and several others got removed or broken somehow. I fixed most of it.

]]> By: Red Cairo http://www.alterati.com/blog/2007/08/redefining-the-real/comment-page-1/#comment-158742 Red Cairo Wed, 17 Oct 2007 23:06:37 +0000 http://www.alterati.com/blog/?p=1206#comment-158742 This is a nice article (would have read easier with a few line breaks though). Really fascinating topic I'd like to see explored more. I've had a whole second life online since 1995 and it really does open up a whole world of wonder when it comes to subjective reality and relationships and more. This is a nice article (would have read easier with a few line breaks though). Really fascinating topic I’d like to see explored more.

I’ve had a whole second life online since 1995 and it really does open up a whole world of wonder when it comes to subjective reality and relationships and more.

]]> By: jamescurcio http://www.alterati.com/blog/2007/08/redefining-the-real/comment-page-1/#comment-158729 jamescurcio Sat, 01 Sep 2007 16:59:45 +0000 http://www.alterati.com/blog/?p=1206#comment-158729 Right. As I was getting at with the article, as experience, I'd say yes, if they're experienced as such. (Epistemologically, no, but who cares, really? :p) Right. As I was getting at with the article, as experience, I’d say yes, if they’re experienced as such. (Epistemologically, no, but who cares, really? :p)

]]> By: Ka'at http://www.alterati.com/blog/2007/08/redefining-the-real/comment-page-1/#comment-158731 Ka'at Sat, 01 Sep 2007 13:28:41 +0000 http://www.alterati.com/blog/?p=1206#comment-158731 Spot on, Psuke. What I'm suggesting is that our representations and our related projections are real to us whether they refer to real or replicated objects. Spot on, Psuke.

What I’m suggesting is that our representations and our related projections are real to us whether they refer to real or replicated objects.

]]> By: jamescurcio http://www.alterati.com/blog/2007/08/redefining-the-real/comment-page-1/#comment-158732 jamescurcio Fri, 31 Aug 2007 19:27:06 +0000 http://www.alterati.com/blog/?p=1206#comment-158732 Gotcha. Well, I've heard it used to mean several things (since as the kind of colloquial "hyper-real" = more than) whereas in that context from Baudrillard, (who I am familiar with, though I haven't read much except excerpts), it means almost the opposite, and yes- I think it's appropriate. Gotcha. Well, I’ve heard it used to mean several things (since as the kind of colloquial “hyper-real” = more than) whereas in that context from Baudrillard, (who I am familiar with, though I haven’t read much except excerpts), it means almost the opposite, and yes- I think it’s appropriate.

]]> By: Psuke http://www.alterati.com/blog/2007/08/redefining-the-real/comment-page-1/#comment-158733 Psuke Fri, 31 Aug 2007 18:57:05 +0000 http://www.alterati.com/blog/?p=1206#comment-158733 curcio said: "Not quite sure what ‘hyperreality’ is though. I mean, aside from a word." It's from Baudrillard - and one of the things that made me think of this dissertation, since the concept is discussed there. [quote] "It is reality itself today that is hyperrealist", when "The hyperreal" is defined as "that which is always already reproduced."(3) The inseparable nature of reality and simulations is one aspect of postmodern theory which will be examined in this dissertation.[/quote] curcio said: “Not quite sure what ‘hyperreality’ is though. I mean, aside from a word.”

It’s from Baudrillard – and one of the things that made me think of this dissertation, since the concept is discussed there.

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“It is reality itself today that is hyperrealist”, when “The hyperreal” is defined as “that which is always already reproduced.”(3) The inseparable nature of reality and simulations is one aspect of postmodern theory which will be examined in this dissertation.[/quote]

]]> By: Psuke http://www.alterati.com/blog/2007/08/redefining-the-real/comment-page-1/#comment-158734 Psuke Fri, 31 Aug 2007 18:53:41 +0000 http://www.alterati.com/blog/?p=1206#comment-158734 This is only vaguely on-topic, but here's a link to a rather interesting thesis on textual reality (among other postmodern things) in the Discworld books: http://www.lspace.org/books/analysis/christopher-bryant.html Pratchett plays around with this concept all over the place in his novels...and to a great extent one could say the Discworld series is, in fact, one long (and getting longer) exploration of the nature of textual reality... This is only vaguely on-topic, but here’s a link to a rather interesting thesis on textual reality (among other postmodern things) in the Discworld books: http://www.lspace.org/books/analysis/christopher-bryant.html

Pratchett plays around with this concept all over the place in his novels…and to a great extent one could say the Discworld series is, in fact, one long (and getting longer) exploration of the nature of textual reality…

]]> By: Panic {RE}_Programming » Blog Archive » Redefining The Real http://www.alterati.com/blog/2007/08/redefining-the-real/comment-page-1/#comment-158730 Panic {RE}_Programming » Blog Archive » Redefining The Real Fri, 31 Aug 2007 02:30:45 +0000 http://www.alterati.com/blog/?p=1206#comment-158730 [...] post by jamescurcio and software by Elliott [...] [...] post by jamescurcio and software by Elliott [...]

]]> By: SetFree http://www.alterati.com/blog/2007/08/redefining-the-real/comment-page-1/#comment-158736 SetFree Thu, 30 Aug 2007 05:11:05 +0000 http://www.alterati.com/blog/?p=1206#comment-158736 That, or just the imaginative sphere. That, or just the imaginative sphere.

]]> By: SetFree http://www.alterati.com/blog/2007/08/redefining-the-real/comment-page-1/#comment-158737 SetFree Thu, 30 Aug 2007 05:08:27 +0000 http://www.alterati.com/blog/?p=1206#comment-158737 I think by hyperreality he means a place where everything is real. Or at least Equally real. I think by hyperreality he means a place where everything is real. Or at least Equally real.

]]> By: jamescurcio http://www.alterati.com/blog/2007/08/redefining-the-real/comment-page-1/#comment-158739 jamescurcio Tue, 28 Aug 2007 23:10:34 +0000 http://www.alterati.com/blog/?p=1206#comment-158739 Indra's Net is one of those concepts that has a nasty habit of popping up all over the place if you let it. Not quite sure what 'hyperreality' is though. I mean, aside from a word. Indra’s Net is one of those concepts that has a nasty habit of popping up all over the place if you let it.

Not quite sure what ‘hyperreality’ is though. I mean, aside from a word.

]]> By: Ka'at http://www.alterati.com/blog/2007/08/redefining-the-real/comment-page-1/#comment-158738 Ka'at Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:33:12 +0000 http://www.alterati.com/blog/?p=1206#comment-158738 All relationships we develop are heavily influenced by our projections. They are coloured by our unique perception of the Other who remains elusive even when we are interacting within the constraints of consensual reality. No wonder we feel grief for the loss of people we have never encountered in the meat world or we transform our dead to heroes of our narratives through different forms of art. Is there a point in juxtaposing reality with hyperreality? Or shall we go for the concept of meta-reality, a reality of a higher order, encompassing the virtual and the tangible? (I can't help getting these epileptic images of an n-dimensional Indra's Net.) All relationships we develop are heavily influenced by our projections. They are coloured by our unique perception of the Other who remains elusive even when we are interacting within the constraints of consensual reality. No wonder we feel grief for the loss of people we have never encountered in the meat world or we transform our dead to heroes of our narratives through different forms of art.

Is there a point in juxtaposing reality with hyperreality? Or shall we go for the concept of meta-reality, a reality of a higher order, encompassing the virtual and the tangible?

(I can’t help getting these epileptic images of an n-dimensional Indra’s Net.)

]]> By: novus.liber » Blog Archive » Redefining The Real http://www.alterati.com/blog/2007/08/redefining-the-real/comment-page-1/#comment-158740 novus.liber » Blog Archive » Redefining The Real Tue, 28 Aug 2007 08:12:19 +0000 http://www.alterati.com/blog/?p=1206#comment-158740 [...] ‘Reality as fiction? Fiction as reality? In this day and age, it seems we need to re-evaluate what these things even mean. We have moved beyond post-modern ponderances of "the reality of the simulacra" (or copy) to something more immediate - are our relationships with individuals, conducted through electronic medium, any more or less valid than those that occur outside of those confines? Should we feel just as hurt if they die? Feel just as cheated if it turns out their death was merely a part of some elaborate game, or conversely, if real deaths are written off as part of a game of a more sinister kind?’ (Alterati article). [...] [...] ‘Reality as fiction? Fiction as reality? In this day and age, it seems we need to re-evaluate what these things even mean. We have moved beyond post-modern ponderances of "the reality of the simulacra" (or copy) to something more immediate – are our relationships with individuals, conducted through electronic medium, any more or less valid than those that occur outside of those confines? Should we feel just as hurt if they die? Feel just as cheated if it turns out their death was merely a part of some elaborate game, or conversely, if real deaths are written off as part of a game of a more sinister kind?’ (Alterati article). [...]

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