Comments on: Parallel Universes, Alien Religions and Carl Jung: An Interview With Clifford Pickover http://www.alterati.com/blog/2007/07/parallel-universes-alien-religions-and-carl-jung-an-interview-with-clifford-pickover/ After a long day, we know you can work up quite a thirst for tasty entrainment. Search no further. Alterati is the spot for home-brewed, 100 proof podcasts of the Alterati.com editorial team. In it you will find a delectable blend of original musics, audiobook and drama excerpts, interviews with artists and media theorists of the fringe, and hints of strawberry and motor oil. Sat, 04 Feb 2012 19:13:03 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: m s dinakar http://www.alterati.com/blog/2007/07/parallel-universes-alien-religions-and-carl-jung-an-interview-with-clifford-pickover/comment-page-1/#comment-227910 m s dinakar Sun, 13 Mar 2011 19:09:47 +0000 http://www.alterati.com/blog/?p=869#comment-227910 Nice interview but Pickover has not been 'picked over' thoroughly or sufficiently! Clifford Pickover is one of the few interesting polymathic thinkers whose books have been treasures for philomaths around the globe. His writings on hyperspace and hyperdimensions have been lucid, captivating and anecdotal. Science is not about the 'ultimate truth'. Why should one assume there is an ultimate truth. Its role is being 'approximately functional'. So far, science has done a fantastic job. All our experiences are subjective and our expressions could be deemed to be representing the 'objective' though it should be conceded that an expression of an experience is not the experience per se. Our best efforts to comprehend through graphics all the dimensions beyond our 3-D is still within the 3-D matrix. Yet, our intuitive capabilities through the art of visualization enable us to sense what is beyond however abstract it might be. To conclude: thank you for the interview and Clifford Pickover has taught a number of abstract ideas in a lucid and colorful manner for the laypersons curious about hyperphysics and hypermaths through his fascinating books.Bye! Nice interview but Pickover has not been ‘picked over’ thoroughly or sufficiently!
Clifford Pickover is one of the few interesting polymathic thinkers whose books have been treasures for philomaths around the globe.
His writings on hyperspace and hyperdimensions have been lucid, captivating and anecdotal.
Science is not about the ‘ultimate truth’. Why should one assume there is an ultimate truth. Its role is being ‘approximately functional’. So far, science has done a fantastic job.
All our experiences are subjective and our expressions could be deemed to be representing the ‘objective’ though it should be conceded that an expression of an experience is not the experience per se.
Our best efforts to comprehend through graphics all the dimensions beyond our 3-D is still within the 3-D matrix. Yet, our intuitive capabilities through the art of visualization enable us to sense what is beyond however abstract it might be.
To conclude: thank you for the interview and Clifford Pickover has taught a number of abstract ideas in a lucid and colorful manner for the laypersons curious about hyperphysics and hypermaths through his fascinating books.Bye!

]]> By: Animals http://www.alterati.com/blog/2007/07/parallel-universes-alien-religions-and-carl-jung-an-interview-with-clifford-pickover/comment-page-1/#comment-226055 Animals Sat, 05 Mar 2011 04:40:24 +0000 http://www.alterati.com/blog/?p=869#comment-226055 "can creatures dream of ...." My take on it is no, us humans have a tendency to think we know it all, and if dont know it we can definitely learn it, well something are way beyond our span of understand in my humble opinion. “can creatures dream of ….” My take on it is no, us humans have a tendency to think we know it all, and if dont know it we can definitely learn it, well something are way beyond our span of understand in my humble opinion.

]]> By: sam http://www.alterati.com/blog/2007/07/parallel-universes-alien-religions-and-carl-jung-an-interview-with-clifford-pickover/comment-page-1/#comment-159720 sam Thu, 02 Jul 2009 21:20:08 +0000 http://www.alterati.com/blog/?p=869#comment-159720 mr clifford pickover,i read your piece with nova.humans have wrinkled brains and mental limitations,[time travel]i can help,,,3d-infinityand images,thease are 3 keys that will let you acess information times infinity have u ever wanted to know how someone contacts anothe person in different diminsions u will fecieve info at a faster speed than us so the info will be bent or blured,,u want mor answers ,let me know mr clifford pickover,i read your piece with nova.humans have wrinkled brains and mental limitations,[time travel]i can help,,,3d-infinityand images,thease are 3 keys that will let you acess information times infinity have u ever wanted to know how someone contacts anothe person in different diminsions u will fecieve info at a faster speed than us so the info will be bent or blured,,u want mor answers ,let me know

]]> By: Carl Jung http://www.alterati.com/blog/2007/07/parallel-universes-alien-religions-and-carl-jung-an-interview-with-clifford-pickover/comment-page-1/#comment-159719 Carl Jung Tue, 12 May 2009 21:40:06 +0000 http://www.alterati.com/blog/?p=869#comment-159719 We all have access to the collective unconscious. By understanding the archetypes, we understand the different parts of our psyche. And then we can understand the others too. We all have access to the collective unconscious. By understanding the archetypes, we understand the different parts of our psyche. And then we can understand the others too.

]]> By: RaiulBaztepo http://www.alterati.com/blog/2007/07/parallel-universes-alien-religions-and-carl-jung-an-interview-with-clifford-pickover/comment-page-1/#comment-159717 RaiulBaztepo Sat, 28 Mar 2009 22:05:03 +0000 http://www.alterati.com/blog/?p=869#comment-159717 Hello! Very Interesting post! Thank you for such interesting resource! PS: Sorry for my bad english, I'v just started to learn this language ;) See you! Your, Raiul Baztepo Hello!
Very Interesting post! Thank you for such interesting resource!
PS: Sorry for my bad english, I’v just started to learn this language ;)
See you!
Your, Raiul Baztepo

]]> By: Joel http://www.alterati.com/blog/2007/07/parallel-universes-alien-religions-and-carl-jung-an-interview-with-clifford-pickover/comment-page-1/#comment-159718 Joel Wed, 25 Feb 2009 03:45:00 +0000 http://www.alterati.com/blog/?p=869#comment-159718 Nice, finally found the article, looked for this all over the site Nice, finally found the article, looked for this all over the site

]]> By: souldish (( high frequency culture )) » Steve's Weekly Dish 115.0 http://www.alterati.com/blog/2007/07/parallel-universes-alien-religions-and-carl-jung-an-interview-with-clifford-pickover/comment-page-1/#comment-159714 souldish (( high frequency culture )) » Steve's Weekly Dish 115.0 Fri, 09 Jan 2009 05:26:30 +0000 http://www.alterati.com/blog/?p=869#comment-159714 [...] Parallel Universes, Alien Religions and Carl Jung: An Interview With Clifford Pickover Cliff on creating optimized languages, parallel universes, alien religions, DMT and Carl Jung. What’s not to love ..? A New Eleusis: The Long Trip Isn’t Over Many of the notable philosophers and intellectuals of ancient Greece, such as Plato, Aristotle and Sophocles, were initiated at Eleusis. A visionary, mind-altering initiation was therefore at the very roots of Western civilisation [...] [...] Parallel Universes, Alien Religions and Carl Jung: An Interview With Clifford Pickover Cliff on creating optimized languages, parallel universes, alien religions, DMT and Carl Jung. What’s not to love ..? A New Eleusis: The Long Trip Isn’t Over Many of the notable philosophers and intellectuals of ancient Greece, such as Plato, Aristotle and Sophocles, were initiated at Eleusis. A visionary, mind-altering initiation was therefore at the very roots of Western civilisation [...]

]]> By: Anima http://www.alterati.com/blog/2007/07/parallel-universes-alien-religions-and-carl-jung-an-interview-with-clifford-pickover/comment-page-1/#comment-159716 Anima Tue, 06 Jan 2009 13:28:12 +0000 http://www.alterati.com/blog/?p=869#comment-159716 No the universe wont collapse but a subject point of consciousness will withdraw from this world, hence solopscism being cool. No the universe wont collapse but a subject point of consciousness will withdraw from this world, hence solopscism being cool.

]]> By: Anima http://www.alterati.com/blog/2007/07/parallel-universes-alien-religions-and-carl-jung-an-interview-with-clifford-pickover/comment-page-1/#comment-159715 Anima Tue, 06 Jan 2009 13:22:13 +0000 http://www.alterati.com/blog/?p=869#comment-159715 I pretty much agree completely with Thanaton. I thought Pickover was actually paradigmatically intelligent and not another constipated materialist academic but with an abnormal awareness of SOME of the many interesting bizzare things a human can experience in his case. But I guess Yale is another church which preaches the same obsolete materialistic BS the otherwise highly regarded university I attended for 7 years does. I mean he's a physicist and yet M-theory and the implications of holographic information and non-locality amongst the implicate order did not make it into this email conversation, despite the topics being relevant. And yeah alien religions? WTF!? who's to say 'aliens' are anything like us cognitively and emotionally, perhaps they don't even have the category we call 'religion' in their collective mind space. The logic of their subjective experience could be completely transcendent by our standards, they could experience unity consciousness at will hence knowing we are all manifestations of the same consciousness (as any half-witted human psychedelic explorer/'with it' QFT physicist will elaborate upon), the possibilities are fairly limitless and it is barely intelligent to speak in the language of human scientific English to even speculate, for our concepts are born out of our evolution, the logic of which could be completely different to any said ETs or EDs or even EBEs despite a similarity to us. Modally speaking Pickover is making aliens anthropocentic from our biological perspective when he has little evidence to do so from a paradigmatically non-naive perspective. Moreover, suggesting that their god would be anthropocentric to them, well this is an obvious consequence of thinking the way WE think, not the way aliens may think, this kind of speculation should be left for science fiction or otherwise paradigmatically elite discussions, aliens could have as their perceptual array the fractalized patterns of pure consciousness segregated into geometrical divisions of possible-world experience for all we know. Sure there could be many EBE species out there that are similar to us and describable using biological English, but speculation in regards to them having a religion is arbitrary. As far as sleep paralysis goes, well I've experienced it many times in the past and found it to be highly traumatic (not being able to move or breath for 20 seconds and nearly suffocating to death), but it was never a perceptually distorted experience for me, purely physiological. I pretty much agree completely with Thanaton. I thought Pickover was actually paradigmatically intelligent and not another constipated materialist academic but with an abnormal awareness of SOME of the many interesting bizzare things a human can experience in his case. But I guess Yale is another church which preaches the same obsolete materialistic BS the otherwise highly regarded university I attended for 7 years does. I mean he’s a physicist and yet M-theory and the implications of holographic information and non-locality amongst the implicate order did not make it into this email conversation, despite the topics being relevant. And yeah alien religions? WTF!? who’s to say ‘aliens’ are anything like us cognitively and emotionally, perhaps they don’t even have the category we call ‘religion’ in their collective mind space. The logic of their subjective experience could be completely transcendent by our standards, they could experience unity consciousness at will hence knowing we are all manifestations of the same consciousness (as any half-witted human psychedelic explorer/’with it’ QFT physicist will elaborate upon), the possibilities are fairly limitless and it is barely intelligent to speak in the language of human scientific English to even speculate, for our concepts are born out of our evolution, the logic of which could be completely different to any said ETs or EDs or even EBEs despite a similarity to us. Modally speaking Pickover is making aliens anthropocentic from our biological perspective when he has little evidence to do so from a paradigmatically non-naive perspective. Moreover, suggesting that their god would be anthropocentric to them, well this is an obvious consequence of thinking the way WE think, not the way aliens may think, this kind of speculation should be left for science fiction or otherwise paradigmatically elite discussions, aliens could have as their perceptual array the fractalized patterns of pure consciousness segregated into geometrical divisions of possible-world experience for all we know. Sure there could be many EBE species out there that are similar to us and describable using biological English, but speculation in regards to them having a religion is arbitrary. As far as sleep paralysis goes, well I’ve experienced it many times in the past and found it to be highly traumatic (not being able to move or breath for 20 seconds and nearly suffocating to death), but it was never a perceptually distorted experience for me, purely physiological.

]]> By: Matt http://www.alterati.com/blog/2007/07/parallel-universes-alien-religions-and-carl-jung-an-interview-with-clifford-pickover/comment-page-1/#comment-159713 Matt Tue, 06 Jan 2009 03:34:15 +0000 http://www.alterati.com/blog/?p=869#comment-159713 Is this guy proposing that life might live on the surface of brown dwarfs? I thought they were just giant balls of gas. Not as hot as the sun but still too hot for life to exist. With an average mass of about 75 Jupiters the gravity would be crushing. If he was talking about moons of a brown dwarf then I suppose that could be possible. Is this guy proposing that life might live on the surface of brown dwarfs? I thought they were just giant balls of gas. Not as hot as the sun but still too hot for life to exist. With an average mass of about 75 Jupiters the gravity would be crushing. If he was talking about moons of a brown dwarf then I suppose that could be possible.

]]> By: wish http://www.alterati.com/blog/2007/07/parallel-universes-alien-religions-and-carl-jung-an-interview-with-clifford-pickover/comment-page-1/#comment-159712 wish Sat, 03 May 2008 05:56:17 +0000 http://www.alterati.com/blog/?p=869#comment-159712 Thanaton, I bet that if I blow your brains out with a shotgun the universe won't collapse. Thanaton,

I bet that if I blow your brains out with a shotgun the universe won’t collapse.

]]> By: Evan Martin http://www.alterati.com/blog/2007/07/parallel-universes-alien-religions-and-carl-jung-an-interview-with-clifford-pickover/comment-page-1/#comment-159707 Evan Martin Mon, 03 Sep 2007 07:28:18 +0000 http://www.alterati.com/blog/?p=869#comment-159707 I dunno... I confronted the sleep paralysis entities consistently from age 7 to 27 - then I found the other dreaming people. I also learned many lifelong lessons from dozens of pipe-DMT entities. Plus, astrobiology will be one of the most exiting fields of science for at least the next few centuries. I liked what he said. Then again, I am inebriated. I dunno…
I confronted the sleep paralysis entities consistently from age 7 to 27 – then I found the other dreaming people. I also learned many lifelong lessons from dozens of pipe-DMT entities. Plus, astrobiology will be one of the most exiting fields of science for at least the next few centuries.
I liked what he said. Then again, I am inebriated.

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]]> By: souldish (( high frequency culture )) » Steve's Weekly Dish 37.0 http://www.alterati.com/blog/2007/07/parallel-universes-alien-religions-and-carl-jung-an-interview-with-clifford-pickover/comment-page-1/#comment-159706 souldish (( high frequency culture )) » Steve's Weekly Dish 37.0 Fri, 13 Jul 2007 04:09:29 +0000 http://www.alterati.com/blog/?p=869#comment-159706 [...]  Parallel Universes, Alien Religions and Carl Jung: An Interview With Clifford Pickover Alien religions,DMT & Carl Jung. What’s not to love ? [...] [...]  Parallel Universes, Alien Religions and Carl Jung: An Interview With Clifford Pickover Alien religions,DMT & Carl Jung. What’s not to love ? [...]

]]> By: Perditor http://www.alterati.com/blog/2007/07/parallel-universes-alien-religions-and-carl-jung-an-interview-with-clifford-pickover/comment-page-1/#comment-159705 Perditor Thu, 12 Jul 2007 16:28:09 +0000 http://www.alterati.com/blog/?p=869#comment-159705 I apologize for the truly atrocious grammar used near the end of my previous post. Something went wrong during my editing process. Below is a slightly more reader-friendly version of what I initially had meant to say: For example, I challenge anyone to espouse solipsism while being tortured -- with acid pouring onto your skin, or perhaps with your digits being forcibly removed using a pair of pliers it becomes far more difficult to write off reality. Don’t get me wrong, I love solipsism, but it is basically useless (unless you plan on bringing it up between bong hits during a philosophical discussion with a friend.) I do have to agree, however, with your overall estimate of this Cliff fella — as intelligent as he may appear to be, he also seems an equal part douche bag. I apologize for the truly atrocious grammar used near the end of my previous post. Something went wrong during my editing process. Below is a slightly more reader-friendly version of what I initially had meant to say:

For example, I challenge anyone to espouse solipsism while being tortured — with acid pouring onto your skin, or perhaps with your digits being forcibly removed using a pair of pliers it becomes far more difficult to write off reality. Don’t get me wrong, I love solipsism, but it is basically useless (unless you plan on bringing it up between bong hits during a philosophical discussion with a friend.)

I do have to agree, however, with your overall estimate of this Cliff fella — as intelligent as he may appear to be, he also seems an equal part douche bag.

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