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		<title>By: sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 21:20:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mr clifford pickover,i read your piece with nova.humans have wrinkled brains and mental limitations,[time travel]i can help,,,3d-infinityand images,thease are 3 keys that will let  you acess information times infinity have u ever wanted to know how someone contacts anothe person in different diminsions u will fecieve info at a faster speed than us so the info will be bent or blured,,u want mor answers ,let me know</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mr clifford pickover,i read your piece with nova.humans have wrinkled brains and mental limitations,[time travel]i can help,,,3d-infinityand images,thease are 3 keys that will let  you acess information times infinity have u ever wanted to know how someone contacts anothe person in different diminsions u will fecieve info at a faster speed than us so the info will be bent or blured,,u want mor answers ,let me know</p>
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		<title>By: Carl Jung</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl Jung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 21:40:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We all have access to the collective unconscious.  By understanding the archetypes, we understand the different parts of our psyche.  And then we can understand the others too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We all have access to the collective unconscious.  By understanding the archetypes, we understand the different parts of our psyche.  And then we can understand the others too.</p>
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		<title>By: RaiulBaztepo</title>
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		<dc:creator>RaiulBaztepo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 22:05:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello!
Very Interesting post! Thank you for such interesting resource!
PS: Sorry for my bad english, I&#039;v just started to learn this language ;)
See you!
Your, Raiul Baztepo</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello!<br />
Very Interesting post! Thank you for such interesting resource!<br />
PS: Sorry for my bad english, I&#8217;v just started to learn this language <img src='http://www.alterati.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
See you!<br />
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 03:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice, finally found the article, looked for this all over the site</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice, finally found the article, looked for this all over the site</p>
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		<title>By: souldish (( high frequency culture )) &#187; Steve's Weekly Dish 115.0</title>
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		<dc:creator>souldish (( high frequency culture )) &#187; Steve's Weekly Dish 115.0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 05:26:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Parallel Universes, Alien Religions and Carl Jung: An Interview With Clifford Pickover Cliff on creating optimized languages, parallel universes, alien religions, DMT and Carl Jung. What’s not to love ..? A New Eleusis: The Long Trip Isn’t Over Many of the notable philosophers and intellectuals of ancient Greece, such as Plato, Aristotle and Sophocles, were initiated at Eleusis. A visionary, mind-altering initiation was therefore at the very roots of Western civilisation [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Anima</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anima</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 13:28:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No the universe wont collapse but a subject point of consciousness will withdraw from this world, hence solopscism being cool.</description>
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		<title>By: Anima</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anima</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 13:22:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I pretty much agree completely with Thanaton. I thought Pickover was actually paradigmatically intelligent and not another constipated materialist academic but with an abnormal awareness of SOME of the many interesting bizzare things a human can experience in his case. But I guess Yale is another church which preaches the same obsolete materialistic BS the otherwise highly regarded university I attended for 7 years does. I mean he&#039;s a physicist and yet M-theory and the implications of holographic information and non-locality amongst the implicate order did not make it into this email conversation, despite the topics being relevant. And yeah alien religions? WTF!? who&#039;s to say &#039;aliens&#039; are anything like us cognitively and emotionally, perhaps they don&#039;t even have the category we call &#039;religion&#039; in their collective mind space. The logic of their subjective experience could be completely transcendent by our standards, they could experience unity consciousness at will hence knowing we are all manifestations of the same consciousness (as any half-witted human psychedelic explorer/&#039;with it&#039; QFT physicist will elaborate upon), the possibilities are fairly limitless and it is barely intelligent to speak in the language of human scientific English to even speculate, for our concepts are born out of our evolution, the logic of which could be completely different to any said ETs or EDs or even EBEs despite a similarity to us. Modally speaking Pickover is making aliens anthropocentic from our biological perspective when he has little evidence to do so from a paradigmatically non-naive perspective. Moreover, suggesting that their god would be anthropocentric to them, well this is an obvious consequence of thinking the way WE think, not the way aliens may think, this kind of speculation should be left for science fiction or otherwise paradigmatically elite discussions, aliens could have as their perceptual array the fractalized patterns of pure consciousness segregated into geometrical divisions of possible-world experience for all we know. Sure there could be many EBE species out there that are similar to us and describable using biological English, but speculation in regards to them having a religion is arbitrary. As far as sleep paralysis goes, well I&#039;ve experienced it many times in the past and found it to be highly traumatic (not being able to move or breath for 20 seconds and nearly suffocating to death), but it was never a perceptually distorted experience for me, purely physiological.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I pretty much agree completely with Thanaton. I thought Pickover was actually paradigmatically intelligent and not another constipated materialist academic but with an abnormal awareness of SOME of the many interesting bizzare things a human can experience in his case. But I guess Yale is another church which preaches the same obsolete materialistic BS the otherwise highly regarded university I attended for 7 years does. I mean he&#8217;s a physicist and yet M-theory and the implications of holographic information and non-locality amongst the implicate order did not make it into this email conversation, despite the topics being relevant. And yeah alien religions? WTF!? who&#8217;s to say &#8216;aliens&#8217; are anything like us cognitively and emotionally, perhaps they don&#8217;t even have the category we call &#8216;religion&#8217; in their collective mind space. The logic of their subjective experience could be completely transcendent by our standards, they could experience unity consciousness at will hence knowing we are all manifestations of the same consciousness (as any half-witted human psychedelic explorer/&#8217;with it&#8217; QFT physicist will elaborate upon), the possibilities are fairly limitless and it is barely intelligent to speak in the language of human scientific English to even speculate, for our concepts are born out of our evolution, the logic of which could be completely different to any said ETs or EDs or even EBEs despite a similarity to us. Modally speaking Pickover is making aliens anthropocentic from our biological perspective when he has little evidence to do so from a paradigmatically non-naive perspective. Moreover, suggesting that their god would be anthropocentric to them, well this is an obvious consequence of thinking the way WE think, not the way aliens may think, this kind of speculation should be left for science fiction or otherwise paradigmatically elite discussions, aliens could have as their perceptual array the fractalized patterns of pure consciousness segregated into geometrical divisions of possible-world experience for all we know. Sure there could be many EBE species out there that are similar to us and describable using biological English, but speculation in regards to them having a religion is arbitrary. As far as sleep paralysis goes, well I&#8217;ve experienced it many times in the past and found it to be highly traumatic (not being able to move or breath for 20 seconds and nearly suffocating to death), but it was never a perceptually distorted experience for me, purely physiological.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 03:34:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is this guy proposing that life might live on the surface of brown dwarfs? I thought they were just giant balls of gas. Not as hot as the sun but still too hot for life to exist. With an average mass of about 75 Jupiters the gravity would be crushing. If he was talking about moons of a brown dwarf then I suppose that could be possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is this guy proposing that life might live on the surface of brown dwarfs? I thought they were just giant balls of gas. Not as hot as the sun but still too hot for life to exist. With an average mass of about 75 Jupiters the gravity would be crushing. If he was talking about moons of a brown dwarf then I suppose that could be possible.</p>
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		<title>By: wish</title>
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		<dc:creator>wish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 05:56:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanaton,

I bet that if I blow your brains out with a shotgun the universe won&#039;t collapse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanaton,</p>
<p>I bet that if I blow your brains out with a shotgun the universe won&#8217;t collapse.</p>
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		<title>By: Evan Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evan Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 07:28:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dunno...
I confronted the sleep paralysis entities consistently from age 7 to 27 - then I found the other dreaming people.  I also learned many lifelong lessons from dozens of pipe-DMT entities.  Plus, astrobiology will be one of the most exiting fields of science for at least the next few centuries.
I liked what he said.   Then again, I am inebriated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dunno&#8230;<br />
I confronted the sleep paralysis entities consistently from age 7 to 27 &#8211; then I found the other dreaming people.  I also learned many lifelong lessons from dozens of pipe-DMT entities.  Plus, astrobiology will be one of the most exiting fields of science for at least the next few centuries.<br />
I liked what he said.   Then again, I am inebriated.</p>
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		<title>By: links for 2007-08-01 &#171; NONE OF THIS MATTERS</title>
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		<dc:creator>links for 2007-08-01 &#171; NONE OF THIS MATTERS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 04:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: souldish (( high frequency culture )) &#187; Steve's Weekly Dish 37.0</title>
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		<dc:creator>souldish (( high frequency culture )) &#187; Steve's Weekly Dish 37.0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2007 04:09:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]  Parallel Universes, Alien Religions and Carl Jung: An Interview With Clifford Pickover  Alien religions,DMT &amp; Carl Jung. What’s not to love ? [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Perditor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Perditor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 16:28:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I apologize for the truly atrocious grammar used near the end of my previous post.  Something went wrong during my editing process.  Below is a slightly more reader-friendly version of what I initially had meant to say:

For example, I challenge anyone to espouse solipsism while being tortured -- with acid pouring onto your skin, or perhaps with your digits being forcibly removed using a pair of pliers it becomes far more difficult to write off reality.  Don’t get me wrong, I love solipsism, but it is basically useless (unless you plan on bringing it up between bong hits during a philosophical discussion with a friend.)

I do have to agree, however, with your overall estimate of this Cliff fella — as intelligent as he may appear to be, he also seems an equal part douche bag.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I apologize for the truly atrocious grammar used near the end of my previous post.  Something went wrong during my editing process.  Below is a slightly more reader-friendly version of what I initially had meant to say:</p>
<p>For example, I challenge anyone to espouse solipsism while being tortured &#8212; with acid pouring onto your skin, or perhaps with your digits being forcibly removed using a pair of pliers it becomes far more difficult to write off reality.  Don’t get me wrong, I love solipsism, but it is basically useless (unless you plan on bringing it up between bong hits during a philosophical discussion with a friend.)</p>
<p>I do have to agree, however, with your overall estimate of this Cliff fella — as intelligent as he may appear to be, he also seems an equal part douche bag.</p>
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		<title>By: Perditor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Perditor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 16:13:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Thornaton: its true that those pretentious scientists can&#039;t prove that there is an objective reality; however, you can no more prove that an objective reality exists than you can prove that it doesn&#039;t exist.  The only thing any of us can do is assume that it does exist, and considering the mountain of subjective experiences I&#039;ve had throughout my life, it doesn&#039;t seem like that not much of a leap.  For example, I challenge anyone to espouse solipsism being tortured, acid is pouring onto your skin, or perhaps while their digits being forcibly removed with a pair of pliers.  Don&#039;t get me wrong, I love solipsism, but its basically useless you&#039;re tripping with a friend.

I do have to agree, however, with your overall estimate of this Cliff fella -- as intelligent as he may appear, he also seems an equal part douche bag.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Thornaton: its true that those pretentious scientists can&#8217;t prove that there is an objective reality; however, you can no more prove that an objective reality exists than you can prove that it doesn&#8217;t exist.  The only thing any of us can do is assume that it does exist, and considering the mountain of subjective experiences I&#8217;ve had throughout my life, it doesn&#8217;t seem like that not much of a leap.  For example, I challenge anyone to espouse solipsism being tortured, acid is pouring onto your skin, or perhaps while their digits being forcibly removed with a pair of pliers.  Don&#8217;t get me wrong, I love solipsism, but its basically useless you&#8217;re tripping with a friend.</p>
<p>I do have to agree, however, with your overall estimate of this Cliff fella &#8212; as intelligent as he may appear, he also seems an equal part douche bag.</p>
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		<title>By: Thanaton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thanaton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 22:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know,
I&#039;ve been into all things weirdness for a long time and yet somehow never heard of this guy. Not super impressed with this interview. Once again, a scientist worships at the cult of conventionality fundamentally ignoring the glaring flaws in popular scientific thought. Namely, the pretentious idea that and objective universe exists somewhere outside of our own subjective consciousness? Really, prove that with your science. Yeah, everything you say is coming from a human perspective and that&#039;s all you know and will ever know as long as you retain your humanity. When exactly has anyone ventured outside of themselves into this objective reality? We don&#039;t live in one world but 8 billion internal ones. The physical world is merely a holographic projection created by our own perception of it. Hard concept to accept I know, although it shouldn&#039;t be. Is a hermit crab&#039;s world the same as a human&#039;s?

&quot;Can creatures dream of things beyond their sensory capacity?&quot;

Yes, this is what Terrence Mckenna referred to as the transcendent other. I&#039;ve personally experienced many things in my dreams and hallucinations that have no basis in physical reality. There is so much art out there effectively recreating this kind of phenomenon that it&#039;s difficult to make an argument otherwise.

Then he further irked me by comparing sleep paralysis and alien abduction phenomenon. As an experiencer/sufferer of sleep paralysis for years I can say that what I&#039;ve gone through, and it&#039;s been crazy weird, is nothing like what supposed abductees report. What would the religions of creatures on a brown dwarf stars be like? Would they have television? Fucking retarded. God, it&#039;s a slow day at work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know,<br />
I&#8217;ve been into all things weirdness for a long time and yet somehow never heard of this guy. Not super impressed with this interview. Once again, a scientist worships at the cult of conventionality fundamentally ignoring the glaring flaws in popular scientific thought. Namely, the pretentious idea that and objective universe exists somewhere outside of our own subjective consciousness? Really, prove that with your science. Yeah, everything you say is coming from a human perspective and that&#8217;s all you know and will ever know as long as you retain your humanity. When exactly has anyone ventured outside of themselves into this objective reality? We don&#8217;t live in one world but 8 billion internal ones. The physical world is merely a holographic projection created by our own perception of it. Hard concept to accept I know, although it shouldn&#8217;t be. Is a hermit crab&#8217;s world the same as a human&#8217;s?</p>
<p>&#8220;Can creatures dream of things beyond their sensory capacity?&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, this is what Terrence Mckenna referred to as the transcendent other. I&#8217;ve personally experienced many things in my dreams and hallucinations that have no basis in physical reality. There is so much art out there effectively recreating this kind of phenomenon that it&#8217;s difficult to make an argument otherwise.</p>
<p>Then he further irked me by comparing sleep paralysis and alien abduction phenomenon. As an experiencer/sufferer of sleep paralysis for years I can say that what I&#8217;ve gone through, and it&#8217;s been crazy weird, is nothing like what supposed abductees report. What would the religions of creatures on a brown dwarf stars be like? Would they have television? Fucking retarded. God, it&#8217;s a slow day at work.</p>
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