Waco 2.0
ED CALLS FOR SUPPORT FROM SERIOUS PEOPLE ONLY!!! THEY NEED SERIOUS PEOPLE WILLING TO FIGHT TO COME TO THEIR AID — RIGHT NOW!!! THIS IS TUESDAY, JUNE 12th — ED AND ELAINE AND OTHERS NEED YOUR HELP!!! – MakeTheStand.com
Following a raid in which four government agents are killed, military tanks knock holes in the compound which is then saturated with CS gas. Helicopters buzz overhead. Pyrotechnic devices are then fired into the building which ignites the gas and burns the compound to the ground, the armed resisters inside killed, martyrs to the patriot and militia movements, dozens of new anti-government groups springing from their blood.
Ed Brown interviewed at his compound by WMURTV.
While this sounds like the Waco massacre of 1993, it could be the potential outcome of a standoff brewing in New Hampshire where tax protesters Ed and Elaine Brown have barricaded themselves in what has been described as a “fortress-like compound” after they were convicted of refusing to pay income tax to the federal government earlier this year. In recent days their phone, power and internet have been cut off and camouflaged SWAT teams, helicopters, armored vehicles and possibly combat robots have descended on this formerly quiet area. Supporters of the Browns have also flocked to the compound and Ed “is armed and has promised a Waco like ending … he will not be taken alive.”
Help us fight them here on Ed and Elaine’s door step or fight them on your own at your’s. – Ed and Eileen’s MySpace
A little history. Ed and Elaine (now “Edward, a Living Soul in the Body of the Lord, of the House of Israel” and “Elaine, a Living Soul in the Body of the Lord, of the House of Israel” after a conversion to a non-denominational form of Christianity in March) were a well off couple (Elaine had a dental practice, which provided most of the income) and had stopped paying federal income taxes in 96 and filing taxes altogether in 98. While they do pay other types of taxes (consumption taxes generally) they believe that there is no law that compels them to pay federal income tax and they will not pay until the law is shown to them. The government claims that they owe over 2 million dollars in unpaid taxes. This “income tax law does not exist” meme has been floating around the patriot, militia and conspiracist milieus for years, most recently finding it’s most popular expression in Aaron Russo’s documentary Freedom to Fascism whose website proclaims “Are you aware the Supreme Court has ruled that the government has no authority to impose a direct unapportioned tax on the labor of the American people, and the 16th Amendment does not give the government that power?”
Ed Brown interviewed at his compound by John Stoddard Klar.
A few thoughts. While I’m not going to get into whether the Browns have a valid point or not, if they are deluded, cynical opportunist criminals or if they are really being persecuted by the Zionists, Illuminati and Freemasons, as Ed claims, there are a few things of interest in this drama. The Brown’s current situation tends to follow the self-fulfilling outcome of conspiracy theories, where a belief in the total evil of the NWO tends to cause conspiracy believers to provoke the government and thus a response, which then tends to affirm their beliefs even further. (See
William Cooper). Or maybe the Brown’s are right and we are actually living under the tyranny of the Federal Reserve and the IRS and Ed and Eileen are manifesting the tradition of the American forefathers who threw off the yoke of British dominance. Maybe.
Ed Brown Demonstration, Lebanon NH.
And while there are some potential similarities between the Ruby Ridge and Waco fiascos, there are a few interesting differences and developments, mainly focusing on the internet as a tool for mobilization and action. These tools have no ideology, what works for the netroots, the grassroots and the astroturfers also works for armed fringe Christians. Using blogs, message boards, internet radio, mass emails and such, the rallying cry for supporters to converge at the bunker house are getting louder and louder and I’m hard pressed to find a shortwave patriot station at the moment that isn’t calling for people to go to New Hampshire and support and protect the Browns. I don’t think this type of grassroots protests accompanied at siege at Waco, although I may be wrong, it’s been awhile. Also while the Ruby Ridge and Waco confrontations appear to mainly provoked by overzealous government agents, this incident seems to be a curious reversal, as it is the feds have claimed that there will be no raid and have “no wish to have a violent encounter with either one of them,” although the military equipment and soldiers amassing seems to make that claim suspect. Generally it has been the Brown supporters who have been most vocal for a confrontation.
We MUST pray only that His will be done. This does not mean to become sheep, but to strap on the Holy Armor of God! If it be His will that violence occur for a righteous cause, then SO BE IT! – MakeTheStand.com message board
Whether the government has learned “the lessons of Waco” (doubtful) and this all fizzles out with a whimper instead of a blast from a fertilizer bomb or if it escalates into a nationally shocking explosion of violence and mayhem remains to be seen, I can’t help but feel that something is building here, and hope there can be some kind of peaceful resolution, no matter how fucking unlikely it seems.
Related links and resources.
I will post any interesting related links here as this thing progresses.
Archive of the Browns short wave/internet/podcast radio show on RBN “Ed Brown Under Siege.”
Ruby Ridge survivor Randy Weaver to visit Browns
AP news story on the Weaver/Brown press conference
News article answering some of the common anti-tax arguments
Threatening emails from Brown sympathizer investigated by police
Video of Brown/Weaver press conference
Brown sympathizer arrested after e-mail message
Freedom concert held at Brown’s New Hampshire home
Ron Paul compares Ed Brown to Gandhi
Brown supporter Randy Weaver claims he is being stalked by “man in a black uniform”
The Browns throw themselves a party.
Shots heard at Brown compound.
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May I have permission to use this website in my class as an extreme example of how to make a page that is slow, unreadable, and uses “Style = Puke”.
Thanks
Bill
Thanks so much for calling the Browns’ home a “compound.” I’m glad that you didn’t pass up the opportunity to dehumanize the Browns by realizing that they don’t live in a house, but live on a compound, a terrorist compound. But I’m disappointed that you didn’t take the government line 100%. Since the Browns didn’t pay their income tax, they should be slaughtered and their home should be burned to the ground and the land should be salted and cursed. When will you realize that when people don’t pay their income taxes to the IRS, the Feds have a duty to make them an example.
I almost forgot to commend you on demonizing the Browns’ supporters. Their “bring ‘em on” attitude toward their masters is vile and disgusting. They are literally PROVOKING the Feds into attacking their home, er, compound, when they say they will fight back if attacked. They are no better than Iraqis or Iranians. When will these terrorists learn that their government is attacking them for their own good, and for freedom?
Everyone reading this article should also read this article: http://docs.law.gwu.edu/facweb/jsiegel/Personal/taxes/JustNoLaw.htm
There’s the response, that’s why this guy is wrong and will go to prison (or die if that’s what he determines necessary) in a completely legal fashion.
“they believe that there is no law that compels them to pay federal income tax and they will not pay until the law is shown to them.”
Yeah, not how it works.
The founding fathers never intended this nonsense.
~Oren
PS. Style = PUKE!!! Srsly
Yet another case of nutcases using “god” to justify death, to validate martyrdom. The slippery slope that has lead to world wide violence “in the name of god.”
It’s nonsense. “God’s law” “God’s land” ??!? According to whom? And if it’s “god’s land” where the Browns live, what gives the Browns title to it?
And they are so outraged by tax laws that they are willing to die? Doesn’t it seem rather disproportionate? Or surreal?
Their willingness to die for opposition to tax laws, and as a dramatic stand in opposition to some worldwide conspiracy including masons and such, is simply a manifestation of psychological disaese. They’re crazy, to the point of causing death: theirs and perhaps others.
“For God” my ass, they’re just crazy nutcases looking for a dramatic and validating way to die.
I disagree with their religious ideas and with their reading of statutory law and with their tactics. It doesn’t seem like a violent provocation is necessary–why not tax-protest like some who oppose war for religious reasons? Why not be willing to go to prison? (Is being holed up in “compound” waiting to be shot better than prison? More effective?).
It seems to me that our government delegitimizes itself not by collecting taxes, but by spending them for things like the murder of 300,000 Iraqi children and the secret detentions of who knows who/where/how. The war in Iraq is a much more horrific event than 9/11 and threatens to destabilize the world–it seems patently obvious to me that the government of the US is just what Osama is, only to the 1000th power. The government sponsoring this war, the citizens paying for it, and the stormtroopers actually fighting it deserve to have their funds cut. The fat-and-happy American middle-class is the world’s primary obstacle to liberation. Since it’s the present tax regime that keeps them fat-and-happy, they’re unlikely to REALLY oppose this war.
Militancy may become necessary, but this militancy seems very tactically flawed.
While I doubt that I’d have much in common with these people, and while they do seem to be throwing the baby out with the bathwater, I for one applaud them. As a person very sick of the post-modern nihilism of “whatever” and the dissolution of relativity, I am glad to see people willing to fight and die for a transcendent vision. May the Valkyries swarm in a hail of bullets and carry the Browns to Valhalla.
Why don’t the cops just hurl a copy of Title 26 of the USC through their front window?
All well and good. Scott’s citation of Jonathan Siegel’s Income Tax Page lays it out pretty clearly – there’s a very clearly written law that says if you earn it, Uncle Sam can tax it. I agree that the Brown’s are off the deep end, but I also agree with their general point that income taxes suck. Although it would never happen, I’d love to see an experiment where a few states (ninth and tenth amendments – the ‘forgotten’ one – anyone?) go to alternative taxation – maybe like the consumption taxes the Browns favor – and see if those states prosper as business and wealth-creators (i.e. the much hated ‘rich’ folk) flock to them. A pipe dream? Certainly, but anyone want to pursue the thought experiment with me?
Doug, there are any number of countries in the world where rich people pay no taxes. Please feel free to take off for central Africa and tell us how your libertarian utopia is going.
Mike
I didn’t say no taxes – reread; I said consumption taxes. Or I’ll give you some leeway; let’s say a flat 5% tax after $50,000 in income. I’m saying I’d love to see it as an experiment, because I contend that the government is a bloated, inefficient bureaucracy that operates much less efficiently than the private sector. As an experiment set up a place where the government takes less and does less, and see if it flourishes better than the other states, or if most of the citizens there languish in poverty, reduced scientific and technological development, overdeveloped natural resources, and pollution. I contend that life would be better for all with less government (sort of like what our founding fathers said); there’s a contingent in our country that contends more government (regulation, taxation, grants, entitlements, etc.) makes our world a better place. So let’s talk politics in these general terms, do the thought experiment, and learn to appreciate the best of each point of view.
What I don’t seem to grok is why religion is necessary to make this point. These standoffs always seem to happen between Christians who are strong in their beliefs and the federal government. If one happens to be an atheist or an agnostic or some other religion other than Christianity, they may still have their reasons for refusing to pay. The tax bureaucracy is notorious for being almost impossible to wade through, and once the IRS decides something is non-negotiable that can be all there is to it. Their lack of accessibility alone could be a reason to refuse payment. Let alone, what the true intended structure of the tax system might have been at its inception. I see nothing seditious in this man’s refusal to pay. However, where it concerns taxes, I’ll do what I can to dot every “I” and cross every “t”, because I fear them more than Mr. Brown.
It’s a right of every human being to to choose whether or not to do anything. If I don’t want to do something the government wants me to do, I have every right not to do it. They shouldn’t have the right to harm me or my property for it. If they can find a law and follow the proper procedures for obtaining a warrant signed by a judge they have every right to arrest me according to the rules. But they can’t kill me for it, and they can’t resort to unnecessary violence.
Generally, the fringy Christians (who, in my experience with them, don’t bother to read more than two or three passages and quote even those in fragments) are the ones willing to fight the government, the rest usually flee or give up and settle.
As for their claims of illegal income tax, I’d suggest this settles all doubts:
Article. XVI.
The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several
States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.
And that says it all.
http://docs.law.gwu.edu/facweb/jsiegel/Personal/taxes/JustNoLaw.htm
Seeing this link above and page many times has led me to reading it many times, and i have the final conclusion on this situation..
“The federal tax laws are contained in the Internal Revenue Code, also known as Title 26 of the United States Code.”
Notice below where it says, “[G]ross income means all income from whatever source derived, including (but not limited to) the following items:” … (*important!*)
It says ALL INCOME FROM WHATEVER SOURCE DERIVED, and NOT LIMITED TO… also not the part where it says INCLUDING: (meaning that gross is also something else as well.. and that is FROM ALL SOURCES DERIVED..
They pretty much cover it all in the sections below.
§ 61 and § 63
Section 1, it will be observed, imposes the tax on your “taxable income.” How do you know what that is? Section 63 of the Code, 26 U.S.C. § 63, defines “taxable income” to mean “gross income minus the deductions allowed” by chapter 1 of the Code, so now we need to know what “gross income” is. So we turn to section 61 of the Code, 26 U.S.C. § 61, which provides the critical definition:
26 U.S.C. § 61
[G]ross income means all income from whatever source derived, including
(but not limited to) the following items:
(1) Compensation for services, including fees, commissions, fringe benefits, and similar items;
(2) Gross income derived from business;
(3) Gains derived from dealings in property;
(4) Interest;
(5) Rents;
(6) Royalties;
(7) Dividends;
… Seriously that covers it all … so unless GROSS is somewhere else redefined elsewhere in another REVENUE CODE somewhere as being separated into apportioned and unapportioned, which according to wiktionary.org means:
APPORTION:
“To divide and assign in just proportion; to divide and distribute proportionally; to portion out; to allot; as, to apportion undivided rights; to apportion time among various employments.”
What is relevant here?.. the time among various employments? so if you run a business the time is not devided?? .. well it could be if you were doing contract work… so i don’t see how russo has categorized capital gain or business profits separate from that of personal income where a person may work one job for their whole life which would make it unapportioned or where someone runs a business that does steady work without time increments of non-business in between, because of contracts, or seasonal restrictions, due to the type of business possibly being something like lawn care where in the winter it’s not really possible to do, etc.. but anyways.. as far as this all goes.. it is pretty much proven now to be a hoax set up for a profit, since the average person doesn’t take the time to read the tax laws, and will just believe what they hear about how they are allowed to not pay their taxes..
The question really is in my opinion is that many are seemingly helping the royalty by creating more people to punish later, by telling people to break the laws, no different than that of the clever foreign gangsters that come here and attempt to get every man, woman and child they can find into the criminal system so they can slowly take over the country by getting the children in their own families to dress up in suits and goto college.
Post this as many places as you can to stop everyone save innocent people from being suspect to the never ending inquisition.
Ed Brown could have chosen a few valid things to complain about with the federal tax system… like how the IRS is a bullying organization or how our hard earned money is spent very inefficiently. Instead he has chosen to split hairs with the wording of a law that is as valid as any other federal law. Part of his theory revolves around the fact that only residents of Washington D.C. and military bases are U.S. citizens, and therefore he’s not. OK.
The real question revolves around whether you want to drive on Interstates, use the post office, receive Social Security (Like Elaine Brown does) , support a US military and have a federal government at all. If you do, someone’s has to fund it. As terrible as it sounds, basing a tax rate on how much money you make has a certain logic to it.
The idea of the “self fulfilling prophecy” is the most interesting thing here– it certainly seem the Browns and their followers wish to become martyrs, wish to prove the government is out to get them by provoking the government into proving their point. It’s like me saying “that dog is violent and dangerous– here, I’ll prove it!” and then I poke the dog with a stick until it bites me.
It seems the authorities only recourse here is to surround the house, continually and publicly offer a peaceful end to the standoff, and slowly starve them out, at which point the Browns themselves will (probably) inititate some kind of violent action towards the authorities when it’s clear the authorities aren’t going to attack first. Perhaps they will even claim the police initiated it by “poisoning our remaining water supplies” or “stealing our thoughts via brainwaves from a satellite.”
It’s tough to argue with conspiracy theorists, as in their view the abscence of evidence is often the best evidence of how powerful the conspiracy is.
The Browns are vile, racist nitwits. The two of them put together aren’t worth the cost of the ammo the Feds would use to put them down. They want to cheat on their taxes to the tune of a couple of mil and then blame the Jews? No problem. Build a 20 foot fence around their ‘compound,’ top it with barbed wire, and christen it the ED & ELIANE BROWN FEDERAL PEN.
Post a few guards. Toss in food once a week and take the fence down- after 20 years.
Problem solved.
Religion is a mental illness humanity is only starting to shake off.
religion is an attempt to symbolize the experience the mushroom gives, and the sun being the source..
but as far as the tax thing goes.. ‘the author of this thread’ found another good link at:
http://www.wcax.com/Global/story.asp?S=5859164
which shows the irs argument against specific evasion claims.
but to go after the concept of apportioned and unapportioned was kinda clever since half the people don’t understand what that even means, and it doesn’t seem to be mentioned very often in the code.. and you won’t find it unless you read it thoroughly.. it is like the needle in the haystack of the code.
but the fact that the world is not anyone’s to own, nor land to be taxing is a whole different story and i’m pretty impressed that ed brown stepped up to that level of reasoning, because that is REAL no matter what anyone says.
“who are you to clock what i’m doing during the day?” – eligh (living legends – hiphop crew)
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode26/usc_sup_01_26.html
or we can all just read the code ourselves, which is the main argument of the irs and government always when you goto court.. “you should have read the laws sir.” .. that is your responsibility as a citizen according to the courts.
This has to be the worst blog I’ve ever seen. I’m not sure where to start. How about the > 10 second page load time, or wasting half the page for the header. Maybe it is the yellow on black and the gray on black color scheme. But anyway, it really does suck.
What the Brown’s are doing is really the wrong way to go about combating the Federal Reserve System, the IRS and many other abusive bureaucratic sections of the government that legally plunder our property. It would be better to elect someone like Congressman Ron Paul for president and elect candidates for Congress who didn’t go along with Party lines and operated using the Constitution as a guideline.
Standing up to the Federal government is brave in one since, but being a political prisoner, you are no longer able to help the rest of us in society. The best thing the Brown’s could have done was to pay the least amount of taxes they could, which you legally can do, and stay in the fight using our representative government to put all those IRS workers to a value-added government service like Border Patrol Agents.
#1 point that most of you miss – Your income tax pays only part of the INTEREST on the National Debt owed by Congress, which grows at the ratio of 5:1 for what Congress borrows. We already have taxes taken out at the state and local levels enough to cover roads and schools, etc. So, I’m sorry to say that NONE of you income tax provides for ANY government services many of us are told we receive from income tax revenue.
I still pay my taxes and I still think it’s a scam on the American people. One of the points placed in the Communist Manifesto was to institute a graduated income tax.
You should watch the interview on our show America In Danger #141 with G. Edward Griffin, author of The Creature From Jekyll Island; A Second Look at The Federal Reserve.
I mean, really think about this question: How did the government fund itself from 1776 to 1913, when the IRS and Federal Reserve Bank was given Congress’ constitutional power to coin money and levy taxes?
One more point. If you can find it, listen to comments made by Randy Weaver. Now for all of you harping on the “Christians” and “religious nutjob” aspect of this situation, Mr. Weaver clearly said that he didn’t believe in Jesus and thought that religion was instituted to serve as a social control for government.
In my opinion, whether you believe in God, Jesus, Buddha, Mohammed or any other religion, Randy Weaver makes a valid point.
Interesting point that “income tax” was originally part of the Communist Manifesto– is it your claim, Chris, that because it was in the Communist Manifesto that it is therefore evil? The Communist Manifesto was also supposed to be about democracy, both economic and political, but of course thanks to the Soviets we all hear the word “communist” and a red flag goes up (ohh. . . bad pun). The communism of Marx and the communism of today are light years apart, and I’m sure old Karl is rolling in his grave. I don’t think communism is perfect, but neither is capitalism (otherwise why would we have so many regulations– pure capitalism would allow child labor, unsafe working conditions, dangerous products, etc.) For all it’s problems, the graduated income tax is still the best (fairest) way to tax. The Browns don’t want to pay, fine, then they get none of the benefits of the country they live in: no use of public roads, no protection by police or firefighters, no public water or sewer, no say in elections. We live together or we die apart.
Jenny,
I never said the Communist Manifesto was “evil”, just because I don’t believe in it’s guidelines for how a government or society should be instituted and operated, especially in the United States. I will agree with you on the fact that capitalism isn’t perfect, though. The problem exists in the fact that men/women that desire power through capitalism end up corrupting the system for their own personal gains. It works the same way with Communism, except those in power of the State would easily be corrupted in “who” gets their “fair share”. That’s what happened to the Soviet Union. The State and who ran it and its burdensome bureaucracies got high off the hog, while the people or collective suffered and still suffer immensely to this day.
Much of the problem in today’s society is a serious lack of ethics and integrity. Only education and parental responsibility will fix that and it can’t be fixed soon enough, as this takes generations to accomplish.
Also, jenny none of the benefits you pointed out that the Brown’s would benefit from living in the US are paid for by our income tax dollars. All that you named is mostly funded by your local property taxes and sales/consumption taxes. You missed a whole paragraph in my comments, due to your eagerness to ram some skewed point down my throat and go, AHA! I told him!!!!
When the individual’s rights are protected, liberty will flourish and the collective citizenry will be much better off, than the current nanny-state we are living in with everyone seeking their handout from the U.S. government.
One more point, Jenny.
True democracy is nothing less than mob rule. Would you like to be on the short end of the stick, should 51% of the “democracy” thinks rendering you and the remaining 41% minority unworthy of life. I would hope not, because that would be unfair to you and everyone else.
That’s why the Framers of the Constitution gave us a constitutional Republic, in order to guard against such barbary as a true democracy.
“Gentlemen, you now have a Republic….if you can keep it.” – Ben Franklin.
I don’t really agree with the way the Browns are going about this, nor do I care if you are religious or not; the bottom line is the American government is corrupt, the entire power elite really, and things are getting worse. History will show perhaps the biggest story of the Iraq invasion/occupation to be not where were the WMDS, etc., but rather the massive scale of corruption, the bulk of which is still unknown to most.
BTW, any one who blames the complex problems honest, true freedom loving people face on absurd scapegoats like “the Jews” is only helping the power elite with their ignorant and divisive stance (Not to say the nation of Israel doesn’t do it share of wrong, but an acknowledgment of such is much different than the previous statement, i.e. it is reality based where the other is not).
Take care friends.
Death and taxes>>>taxes are slavery>>>die or work till you die=death and taxes……..
Chris– I read your other paragraphs, and it wasnt exactly a desire to yell “AHA! I told you” and ram a partisan political point down your throat (though i can see it being interpreted that way). Im just tired of the word “communism” sending people off the deep end, and thought perhaps that was part of your point– income tax originated with the Communist Manifesto, so therefore it is bad. No?
I agree 100% that the problem with any government is the lack of ethics, indeed I am fully aware of how this ruined the Soviet Union, and it certainly looks to be harming our own government.
As for the Browns– true, most of what I mentioned is local (except for national highways, and I guess if they are locked in their house they wont be using those anytime soon). So clear this up– are the Browns paying their local taxes ? I know that even NH has local taxes, property taxes.
Nor am I in favor of mob rule. Where you got that I’ll never know.
I am a retired engineer and small land owner who has been researching for two years the increasing tide of government and mob taking.
Property owners are being beseiged all over the country by government & environmental strangling regulations. Property owners are slow to wake up. Gun owners are in the front of the taking curve, they know what is going on. Home schooler also know what is going on. Many religious folks are also seeing an increase in the taking of our constitutional and natural rights.
i.e. those who are being increasingly taken by big government and those mobs who use big government are finally waking up and rising up. I have tracked this taking back to some 55 years after “we” landed at Plymoth Rock MA in 1620. This is when England came after us again to tax us to death for the wars. Nothing has changed in near 400 years. The tyranny of England has been instantly if not retroactively replaced by American government and the oppressive mobs who use it against us.
I say all of the above to say this. My research has found the following.
1. The 16th Amendment is illegitimate. There was never the 3/4 majority of the then 48 states to pass an income tax. There was only 13 states that legitimately approved this illegitimate Income Tax Amendment in 1913.
2. Thus the IRS code is unconstitutional and fruadulent.
3. Also wages are private property & cannot be taxed per our constituion. Our Founding Fathers meant Income to be profit & gain not wages.
4. “There is no NO statute ratified by the Congress of the U.S. that requires you to file and pay an Income Tax for working for a living in America.” Check this site and watch the Russo Freedcom to Facism DVD.
http://www.joyce101.com/custom4.html
5. Russo says 66 million do not file. My resarch using taxfoundation.org and current census figures show over twice that many are net 0 tax payers.
6. Also, all direct taxes were to be apportioned, i.e. equal. Indirect taxes must be uniform, e.g. duties, exccises, etc. None of this has been done. Taxes are a redistribution of wealth, i.e. socialist, fraudulent & unconstitutional.
7. Also The Federal Reserve Act is unconstitutional. This act was also passed in 1913 during the Christmas break when many Senators were away. Although it appears to have been legitimatey passed, this act is unconstitutional as the constitution was never amended to allow it. The Rothchilds, Morgans, Warburg (Germany), Rockefeller families were working to undermine our American gold based free monetary system for generations.
8. Taking American off the Gold standard and removing the precious metal backing of all currency and going to a forced government legal tender is fraudlent, unconstitional and against everything our Founding Fathers stood for.
I suspect people opposed to income tax are really just opposed to TAX in general. I think it’s really a form of selfishness, and they try to sell it by convincing the rest of us our lives would be better if we were all selfish: “Think about it– if you didnt have to share with other people you’d have more for yourself!!” I can’t say I blame them, but taxes are a necessary part of modern life. I don’t like paying for car insurance either, but if I want to drive a car I at least understand why I have to pay for car insurance (unless you live in NH– and the surrounding states now have to deal with “deadbeat” NH drivers who get into accidents and can’t pay for the damages). We are lightyears away from what our founding fathers dealt with, so in a sense, what our founding fathers intended is moot (doe “the right to bear arms” mean I am allowed to have my own nuclear weapon?)
I suspect the real root of the problem is human population growth. The more the population grows, the more we need to create jobs, build housing, build roads, use up resources, pollute the enviroment, make new laws to protect the enviroment, etc. etc. As a private landowner you might decry “enviromental regulations” restricting use of your land, but if your neighbor built a garbage dump or rendering plant next door (thus devaluing and/or polluting your own land) would you defend his right to do with his land as he pleases? So how do we live together without getting at each other’s throats?
This Libertarian “every man for himself” attitude is essentially just mob rule with a smiley face pasted on, and perhaps contrary to Christ’s teaching (“Do unto others as you would have them do unto you”, “It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of heaven”, and “that which ye do unto the least of these ye do unto me.”) No man is completely free– I cannot just go out and kill someone if I want, I can’t walk into a supermarket and just take what I want. So what is the fair trade off? We have to accept certain responsibilites in a democratic society. Is life in the socialist democracies of Europe ( Sweden, Denmark, Holland, etc) really so horrible?
The real problem with taxes in the US is we aren’t getting what we pay for. We’re losing money to beaurocracy and waste and partisan stupidity (on both sides). If we could fix the waste we’d all pay less in taxes. But I guess it’s easier (and far less complicated) to just focus on “taxes” as the problem.
A close friend of mine has a camp next door to the Brown’s HOUSE (not compound). I grew up in town. I’ve met Ed Brown. He’s a fucking nut and everyone has always known it. He’s on a mission for martyrdom.
A few weeks back the gov’t shut down power on the hill to try to starve them out. Didn’t work for shit– Ed’s been off grid for years now, though it certainly did piss off the folks who live there. He’s a conspiracy theorist for sure, militia style, with a vast array of armament and enough stores of food to last him and his wife a few years. But the cops aren’t even hanging out outside his house anymore. They’re just politely waiting for him to come down off the hill and into town so they can arrest him, which is pretty much what they should do, all things considered.
Now, I’ve got a bit of a problem with a government that taxes at gunpoint. That said, obviously people need to pay taxes or we can’t have all this good stuff like the wars of foreign aggression that we just take for granted. He’s a nutjob, for sure, and he just as sure ought to pay his damn taxes. But all things considered, I don’t think it’s at all appropriate for any government to use force against rebellious elements within that society.
Ed Brown is correct. There is no law. The IRS admits it.” Our system of taxation is the most effective form of voluntary compliance in the world today” Further the IRS says our mission is to encourage voluntary compliance. The IRS only has powers to collect certain mandatory taxes such as Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms but our Courts convict people of not paying the voluntary income tax using statues that fall under the mandatory ATF taxes. IT’S the truth read your privacy act notice that the IRS mails out along with the 1040 booklet then look up the sections the IRS refers to in the Internal Revenue Code and their authority falls under the ATF taxes
Indeed there are laws requiring Americans to pay taxes but only ATF taxes. The IRS has no authority to collect Income taxes or seize people’s property relating to income taxes. Don’t believe me then call the IRS and ask them if our form of taxation is based upon voluntary compliance then listen to how they answer
http://docs.law.gwu.edu/facweb/jsiegel/Personal/taxes/voluntary.htm
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There was this guy see.
He wasn’t very bright and he reached his adult life without ever having learned “the facts”.
Somehow, it gets to be his wedding day.
While he is walking down the isle, his father tugs his sleeve and says,
“Son, when you get to the hotel room…Call me”
Hours later he gets to the hotel room with his beautiful blushing bride and he calls his father,
“Dad, we are the hotel, what do I do?”
“O.K. Son, listen up, take off your clothes and get in the bed, then she should take off her clothes and get in the bed, if not help her. Then either way, ah, call me”
A few moments later…
“Dad we took off our clothes and we are in the bed, what do I do?”
O.K. Son, listen up. Move real close to her and she should move real close to you, and then… Ah, call me.”
A few moments later…
“DAD! WE TOOK OFF OUR CLOTHES, GOT IN THE BED AND MOVED REAL CLOSE, WHAT DO I DO???”
“O.K. Son, Listen up, this is the most important part. Stick the long part of your body into the place where she goes to the bathroom.”
A few moments later…
“Dad, I’ve got my foot in the toilet, what do I do?”
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